The Sony NEX-F3 Quick Take Review – Sony does a NEX re-hash, twice!
Sony Sony Sony….It seems like I have been on Sony overload lately! First the A57 and RX100 and now I am here with yet another NEX camera in my hands and man, it feels like Deja Vu all over again. It seems like I was just shooting with the little NEX-3 and then the teeny C3! Man how time flies. Now Sony has released the F3 and made it larger, grippier , gave it the ability to use the killer external EVF, added a built-in flash (which I find to be great) and even gave it a self-portrait spin with an LCD that you can look at while framing yourself. Gimmiky but cool, especially for all of those Facebook profile pic hounds. Seeing that it was one of the new features I had to test it…
SMILE! SELF PORTRAIT MODE! I do see the barrel distortion of the 18-55 here though!
In all honesty, the F3 is a re-hash and basically a larger C3 with some new features so this review will be ultra short. It feels almost like a NEX-7 as it is about the same size but does no feel as robust as the 7 does. It shoots like a C3 and has the same menu system as all other NEX cameras (which I feel needs a re-design soon) but it is the best effort from Sony to date for a starter NEX camera as it now has many of the features of the larger big boy NEX’s.
A 1st look video I put up a few weeks ago showing the NEX-7 and F3 side by side. Also the 18-200 lens, which is now MUCH sleeker but in reality is a rebadged Tamron lens.
Just as with the 5N, the 18-55 Kit Zoom does damn good with the F3. This one was shot at f/5 at 1/80ths
Another with the Kit Zoom and as you can see, the IQ is great here. f/5.6, indoor and no flash used.
Kit Lens – 18-55 – images still have that smooth NEX look
At the time of this writing, the Sony NEX-F3 comes in at $598 at B&H Photo. The NEX-5n, which I feel is the better camera comes in for $100 more at $698. So I had to shoot the F3 and wonder why anyone would choose the 3 over the 5..besides the $100 difference.
Well, the IQ is about the same.
They both are 16MP.
The F3 has 24P HD video recording capability like the 5n but the 5n has a faster FPS rate (5.5 vs 10).
Oh, and from what I see you can get the F3 with some free bonuses like a bag and SD card if you buy from B&H Photo (again, at the time of this writing).
Oh yea, the F3 also has the built in flash and new self portrait mode that you do NOT have on the NEX-5n!
It’s $100 less than the 5n. Even with all of that I prefer the 5N for it’s smaller size, larger grip and nicer feel/build.
ISO 3200 at night, out of camera JPEG – not a problem for the F3!
Seeing that this is basically a refresh of the old C3 and close to the 5n and even the 7, there is no need for me to go on and on about the features as they are all about the same as they are in the previous models. Sweep Panorama is still here as are all of the color modes and JPEG effects. If you want to read about the features of the NEX line, read my NEX-5n or NEX-7 review. Just know that this is the latest model from Sony and it’s size and design may for your hand better than the old teeny weeny C3. Bottom line on the F3? Same as I said above (no I am re-hashing like Sony)! It’s bigger, has a better grip than the old C3, has a built in flash, great low light and HIGH ISO performance and gives great results even with the 18-55 Kit zoom. If you want a starter camera to get into the NEX system, the F3 makes for a great choice. If you don’t mind spending another $100 and can go without the flash and self portrait mode I feel the NEX-5n feels better and is a nicer designed camera, plus it is smaller and sleeker. But either way, you can’t go wrong.
So how is the high ISO performance of the Sony NEX-F3? Very good, excellent..as most NEX cameras are. Below are a few crops ranging from ISO 1600 to 16,000 – KEEP IN MIND these are JPEGS and you can NOT turn off NR in camera (which is not good imo).
This is the ISO test shot, of my huge stuffed bear who has his own bedroom right now, lol (don’t ask)
So as you can see, all ISO’s are “usable” though ISO 16,000 may give you a blur fest due to the aggressive NR. I’d have no problem shooting ISO 3200 with the NEX F-3. At the time of this writing RAW support was not available for this camera so all images you see here are in JPEG only. In comparison to the NEX-7, the F3 fares a little better at high ISO, mainly due to the fact that the sensor has less mega pixels crammed onto it but I am NOT a fan of NR smearing, and with the F3 you can not turn off the NR, which is what I do on my other cameras. I’ll take grain over smeared details any day of the week.
QUICK TAKE: The new 18-200 Super Zoom
The newly re-designed 18-200 is a slim version of the big fat bazooka Sony had previously released with the NEX-VG10 camcorder. Sony told me the old 18-200 was really designed for that camcorder and NOT the NEX bodies so that is why it was so ridiculously huge when attached to a NEX camera. The new 18-200, from what I have heard is a rebadged Tamron 18-200 but I have not had any kind of confirmation from Sony that this is the case. If it is true then the Tamron can be had for $100-$120 less. But again, I can not confirm it is the same lens.
I used the Sony 18-200 for a few shots here and there and found the quality to be good. I am much happier with the new design and the black color as well as the old version was FAT. The new version is the result of the old one going on an extreme makeover diet for a year and getting a new facelift as well. Much better design for the NEX system by far. Then again, if you are a bad ass and want to rob grocery stores you can take the old version and act like it is some sort of huge futuristic weapon. Maybe a Bazooka? (kidding! I do NOT condone any criminal behavior for those without a sense of humor).
THE OLD BAZOOKA 18-200
Performance wise the new 18-200 seems excellent, especially for an 18-200 zoom tang lens. I did not really get into the details of it by doing brick wall tests and I had limited time due to 100 other things happening while I had time with the lens. To me, it seems like a great “all in one” lens and I actually like it more than the old version (which I used to own at one time with a NEX-5). I had no complaints and thought the signature was smooth and very appealing to my eye with this 18-200 and the feel and build is REALLY nice. It has some heft to it, is super smooth, the black looks really classy and is sort of slick/shiny looking. Zoom is smooth and the focus ring is also smooth. I’ve tried a handful of 18-200 lenses in the last 20 years and this is probably the best I have had in my possession. Having that kind of range in your hand can be useful depending on what you are shooting. Below you can see a sample showing the lens fully wide at 18mm and then fully zoomed to 200mm. This way you can see what you get with 200mm on the NEX system.
The wide end of the 18-200 at 18mm. Click image for larger version and full 100% crop!
The 18-200 fully zoomed to 200 which will give you a 300mm equivalent on the NEX system’s APS-C sensor. Click image for larger view with full 100% crop.
The only issue with this zoom is the slow aperture, which is really slow (as are all 18-200 zoom lenses) so be sure you have enough light if you want crisp images. The aperture range on this lens is f/3.5 at the wide end which ends up at f/6.3 at 200mm. You’ll need some good light by the time you hit 200mm. The good thing though is the lens has built-in optical image stabilization so you can get away with not having massive sunlight 🙂
It also has a silent AF motor and the AF was very quick for me when shooting at the wide end of the spectrum. I had no AF misses or false locks like i can sometimes get with the 18-55.
That’s about all I can say as like I said, my time shooting this combo was minimal. But I figured some thoughts are better than NO thoughts. To be honest, the little Sony RX100 had me more excited as I found it to be a revolutionary type of product where the NEX-F3 and 18-200 are more evolutionary but the facts are facts! Sony has done quite a but over the past 2 years to bring this type of camera to us. If it was not for the Sony NEX series we may not have the cameras we have today as many were brought out due to the success and excitement for the Sony NEX 3 and 5 when they were released. I just wonder what the camera industry will be like in 7-10 years. Hopefully this site will still be around at that time to write about it all!
Thanks for reading!
Where To Buy
As always I recommend B&H Photo for Sony purchases. You can see their NEX-F3 BLACK page HERE and you can also find it in Silver. Their 18-200 page HERE.
Amazon also sells the NEX-F3 in black or Silver
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Thanks for the wonderful post.
I was more interested in the new 18-200 though. I’d love to see a more comprehensive comparison between the old version vs the new one.
From my simple research, I’ve known that the new model became smaller mainly because they shrank the A/F motor and the anti-shake mechanism which might -but not necessarily- reduce both A/F and anti-shake performance, or one of them at least.
I’ve also seen a comparison between the old 18-200 vs Tamron’s variant, the thing that caught my attention is that the old 18-200 from Sony retained focus while zooming in and out, this is a feature mostly appreciated when taking video (a true video camera lens). I wonder if this feature still exists in the new model of the lens.
from my research I’ve also seen a slight quality hit, the newer model seems to be less sharper than the old model, with more aberrations around.
From what I understand is that they are two differently targeted lenses, thus the different price-points and the continuation of the “old” model. But I’d love to see a comparison anyway.
Just a heads up regarding the SEL18200LE – it appears to be cheap at several stores in Europe at the moment. I picked up mine yesterday in Sweden for 4700 SEK (560 EUR/$700), that’s around 60% of the price of the old bazooka SEL18200E. Weird but sweet as we never get cheap electronics over here.
I have the fat old Sony 18-200 lens which i use with my Nex-7. It truly has been my all-in-one lens over the last one year. Do you think the new black 18-200 lens delivers visibly better image quality? Should I consider replacing my older 18-200 lens with the new one. I guess I can live with the fat as long as they both deliver ‘equal’ quality!
Thanks so much..
I did not have both side by side but can say both were very good. I did not notice any big differences in my images shot with the old lens and the new lens but the new lens was much more enjoyable to shoot due to it’s new slim size!
Thanks so much!
Steve what I really love about you is that not matter with which camera you shoot, you always take great pics. No matter if it is a short review, cause you wrote all we need to know to make the right choice. As always congrats for your good work here, cheers 😉
Thanks so much Luca!
Steve – once you had a ‘long’ lens for the NEX in hand – what would be your pick for a long lens for m4/3 (OM-D) ?
Very nice pictures and review – thanks. The F3 certainly produces very good images even at high ISO, but I agree that the RX100 is revolutionary compared to the F3. Just got the RX100 partly due to your review and partly suffering from GAS 🙂 and it is an amazing piece of photographic equipment. I have never been a Sony fan, but the RX100 is just fantastic in every respect.
I bought the F3 3 weeks ago and finally I can read the review here too 🙂
I was in between to buy the F3 or the 5n (550€ and 660€)
The F3 was the last one on display, and I would have a discount of 50 €.
I took the F3 and I “save” 160€ … I don’t know if I did the best choice but I’m really happy about it, this camera is really light and full of features.
Plus I have more budget to buy “the killer external EVF” that I think is a kind of mandatory accessory.
Anyway thanks for the review if I choose sony is reading here the review of the previous camera 🙂
P.s. F3 has a new image processor Bionz improved compared to that of the NEX-5n
It is such a shame that this awesome little camera is not getting its dues! Please allow me to explain:
The Nex C3 was my pocket camera; using my 1DSmkii or the 1Dmkiii is not always very practical or good for my back 🙂
I was pretty happy with the photo quality (I used it almost exclusively with FD and OM glass, plus the Sony 16mm) but I did not like: the very loud and terribly sloooow shutter response speed (too many half closed eyes and half-turned faces as subjects thought that the photo was taken during the clanking of the first curtain); going through menus, etc was not terribly responsive; loved the size of the camera, but the darned flash was left at home too many times by accident (which meant that it ended up living permanently on the camera).
But I do like the NEX format and was pondering stepping up to the 5N. I ended up buying the F3 a couple of weeks ago and I’ve never looked back! The F3 addresses all the above criticisms: everything is faster and quieter. The flash is bounce-able. I cannot believe how useful the flip screen has proved (a lot of jolly, fun sight seeing during the Olympics with my girlfriend – even though we are both Londoners)! To my eyes, the RAW files up to ISO 1600 just look better than C3’s – I have not photographed any brick walls, but using my FD lenses (35, 50 and 100) has meant that I have to do practically nothing in Lightroom 4! Maybe I am betraying my age here, but I cannot believe that files like these are coming out of this little thing!
It is a bit better AF-ing in low light (or maybe it is less over-keen to take a photo even if it’s not in focus; this is something that the C3 used to do quite a bit).
Downsides: construction wise it feels a bit suspect – an F3 with 5n construction would be ideal. I have applied an anti-reflective screen protector (by Power Support – just buy their ipod touch version from the Apple Store and cut the film down to size). Also, the NEX system needs decent, affordable lenses. I am not asking for 24-70 f2.8, nor do I need it with this sort of camera; but the kit zoom is simply unacceptable.
I hope this helps prospective buyers – I was a bit disappointed with some reviews (mostly from “gadgety” websites like Engadget, Verge, etc) which never addressed any of the above points and ended up recommending the C3. I know that we all have our own individual needs and I am not proposing that this is the best camera for everyone; but, as consumers, we need the best possible information to make this sort of decision for ourselves.
I never shoot with C3 so i cannot make a comparison but i think that Sony is working good with the NEX series.
Like you say I’m a bit disappointed about the lenses, I hope that after release this “new” camera we will see more lenses and not a NEX K5 or NEX K7.
Now I will enjoy the new camera, I take a look about the RX100 and of course is a new amazing camera but is too small for my hand.
I took for my father the Nikon V1 (he was in love about that camera so I took that …) but is really acceptable the size and RX100 is smaller …
P.s. totally agree consumers should have all information about new camera and not only a kind of TV spot about it
always great reviews and interesting things @ ur website. i hate u for making me always visit ur site everyday and poison me with leica glass 😛 . i hope ur generation will maintain and improve wh u r doing now for our generation… real world photography need ur site for the people like us…
There appears to be no end to these updates of existing cameras.
Not a bad thing though, as we see a constant and reliable improvement everytime in the overall technology and image performance.
Reminds me a little of mobile phones…No sooner do you have the ‘latest and greatest’, another model hits the high street:)
Although this new Sony performs well, its not really what I’m looking for. I think I will wait to see if Fuji launch a X200, if not the current X100 fits my remit as a ‘Carry anywhere camera’
Thanks Steve for investing yet more time with these product tests and reviews. Your endevours are appreciated.
I’m sure this website will be around for Donkey’s Years 🙂
Great simple straight to the point post. Those high ISO shots looks great considering you weren’t using fast glass. Question, how the video on the f3? Again thanks for the site Steve, keep it up!