Fuji X-Pro 2 Unveiled. Finally. Here is the lowdown.
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FINALLY! The all new long awaited Fuji X-Pro 2 has now been announced with full specs, images and details. What has Fuji delivered this time as an upgrade to their 1st huge mirrorless, the X-Pro 1? Well, I will predict that this will be the coolest, hippest and most desirable APS-C camera available today. With its sleek rangefinder-esque appearance to the hybrid viewfinder giving a unique experience, to the much much faster AF and low light capabilities, the new X-Pro 2 will be huge for Fuji as Fuji fans have been waiting for this one. I was a fan of the X-T1 more so than any other Fuji camera but the X-Pro 2 looks to be even better with the new sensor and speed and capabilities. I look forward to reviewing it with some of the latest Fuji lenses. Now, let’s take a look…
Well, here is what it looks like. To me, it looks like a more refined X-Pro 1. It keeps the same design but the new 2 has a more polished look about it.
24.3MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS III Sensor
X-Processor Pro Engine
Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder
3.0″ 1.62m-Dot LCD Monitor
Full HD 1080p Video Recording at 60 fps
Built-In Wi-Fi, SHARE Printer Compatible
273-Point AF with 77 Phase-Detect Points
Up to 8 fps Shooting and ISO 51200
Weather-Sealed Design, 2x SD Card Slots
Film Simulation and Grain Effect Modes
I am happy to see a new Fuji, and I have been waiting for the Pro 2 to see how far Fuji would go. Would they make it full frame? I already knew this was a NO but what they did do was up the Megapixels to 24 with an all new X-Trans III sensor, up from the 16 of the X-Pro 1. They have improved everything from the 1 and the new 2 has everything any Fuji fan would want. The AF will be blazing compared to the X-Pro 1, which is good as I remember my review of that one and having some focus issues…not only speed but accuracy. Fuji has really stepped up their AF capabilities over the years since the original X100 and Pro 1. So AF will be great here. I expect Fuji fans to jump on this body as it will be the best Fuji digital yet. I will be reviewing the X-Pro 2 as I enjoyed the X-T1 quite a bit and while I have moved on to Full Frame with Sony and Leica for my personal use, there are THOUSANDS out there who love their Fuji’s, so stay tuned for a full review soon!
MORE DETAILS ON THE NEW FUJI X-PRO 2
The long-awaited successor to Fujifilm’s first X-series mirrorless digital camera, the X-Pro2 sports a high-resolution X-Trans CMOS III sensor and redeveloped X-Processor Pro, along with the tested rangefinder-inspired design now synonymous with the X-Pro system. Now weighing in at 24.3MP, the APS-C CMOS sensor incorporates the proprietary X-Trans technology and its randomized pixel array to afford a high degree of sharpness and accurate color reproduction, along with high expanded sensitivity to ISO 51200. When paired with the X-Processor Pro, the camera is capable of recording stills at up to 8 fps and Full HD 1080p video at 60 fps, along with quick focusing and overall performance speeds. Unique among camera designs, the X-Pro2 is also heavily characterized by its Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder that blends both optical and electronic viewing methods into a single, switchable finder, giving you the best of both worlds in regard to clear viewing and the ability to preview exposure settings prior to shooting. Cementing its place as a professional tool, the X-Pro2 also features a robust, weather-sealed body design accented by a range of physical controls for intuitive handling in any condition.
Besides image quality, the sensor and processor combination also avails a highly precise, versatile autofocus system that is comprised of 273 points and uses both phase- and contrast-detection methods.
The phase-detection system covers nearly 40% of the entire image frame with 77 points, which is beneficial to subject tracking and fast overall AF performance, while the majority of the frame is then covered by contrast-detection areas for accurate focusing from edge-to-edge. The imaging attributes also contribute to creative control over the look and feel of photos, such as through the use of Fujifilm’s Film Simulation modes that replicate the look of specific film types, as well as a Grain Effect mode to mimic the textured appearance of film photos. Rounding out the feature-set of the X-Pro2, its design also incorporates a range of customizable function buttons along with a 3.0″ 1.62m-dot rear LCD for image playback, live view shooting, and menu navigation, and built-in Wi-Fi lets you wirelessly share images to mobile devices, remotely control the camera from a smartphone or tablet, or wirelessly send images to the optional instax SHARE Smartphone Printer for on-the-go printing.
24.3MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS III Sensor
Utilizing Fujifilm’s unique, randomized pixel array, the 24.3MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS III sensor affords a high degree of image quality and sharpness due to the omission of an optical low-pass filter. Versus conventional pixel patterns, the X-Trans design more closely mimics the organic nature of film in order to produce nuanced colors and smooth tonal transitions, while also reducing moiré and aliasing.
When paired with the X-Processor Pro, the sensor is also capable of producing clean image quality with reduced noise values, along with a native sensitivity range up to ISO 12800 that can be expanded to ISO 51200.
Aside from benefitting the low-light performance, the X-Processor Pro also contributes to fast performance throughout the camera system, including a start-up time of 0.4 seconds, shutter lag time of 0.05 seconds, shooting interval time of 0.25 seconds, and AF speeds of up to 0.06 seconds. Coupled with the on-sensor phase-detection AF, up to 8 fps continuous shooting is also possible with full-time motion predictive AF for tracking fast-moving subjects while shooting. The ability to record compressed raw files also helps to expedite file transferring for longer continuous burst shooting, and both a fast top focal plane shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. and a flash sync speed of 1/250 sec. further contribute to shooting versatility.
Beyond stills shooting, the X-Pro2 also supports recording Full HD 1080p video at 60 fps with a 36 Mbps bit rate, along with the ability to work with 50, 30, 25, and 24 fps frame rates for greater recording flexibility.
Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder
Both optical and electronic viewfinder types are incorporated into the unique Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder, which lets you select from the simplicity and familiarity of an OVF as well as the versatility of an EVF. Changing between viewing types is quickly performed via the dedicated finder switching lever on the front of the camera body.
The optical viewfinder provides a clear, lifelike view of the scene for easier composition and subject tracking. Its enhanced design incorporates an Electronic Rangefinder function, which mimics the functionality of a mechanical rangefinder, and simultaneously overlays information from the electronic viewfinder on top of the optical viewfinder for comparative manual focus control. The OVF is also benefitted by a Multi-Magnification function that automatically switches the viewfinder magnification according to the mounted lens’ focal length and a Bright Frame Simulation function, which simulates the varying angles of view from different lenses to confirm which focal length is needed, prior to switching lenses, for the composition in mind.
In regard to the electronic viewfinder, this sports a high 2.36m-dot resolution along with a fast 85 fps playback speed to reduce lag for smoother panning and tracking movements. The EVF lets you preview exposure settings prior to shooting and has a customizable display, for configuring the amount and type of information shown in the viewfinder.
Intelligent Hybrid 273-Point Autofocus System
Blending both phase- and contrast-detection focusing methods, the X-Pro2 is capable of acquiring focus both quickly and accurately. The entire system is comprised of 273 points, of which 77 are phase-detection points for faster performance that is beneficial to photographing moving subjects. Approximately 40% of the imaging area is covered by phase-detection points, too, to offer greater compositional freedom without sacrificing fast autofocus performance. The majority of the frame is then also covered by an apt contrast-detection focusing system that has been quickened by the camera’s refined processing power for more versatile control. For refined manual focusing control, a Digital Split Image function is available, that simulates traditional rangefinder focusing, as well as Focus Peaking to highlight lines of contrast in the scene to more objectively determine sharp focus.
Body and Interface Design
In addition to the Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder, the X-Pro2 also features a 3.0″ 1.62m-dot rear LCD screen for clear live view shooting, menu navigation, and image playback.
Supporting its use in harsh climates, the durable weather-resistant body design is constructed from four pieces of magnesium alloy and sealed in more than 61 places to protect against dust, moisture, and cold temperatures down to 14°F.
Dual SD card slots allow for a more flexible and reliable means of storing imagery, and the first card slot is compatible with UHS-II standards for fast transfer speeds.
The top plate incorporates a series of milled aluminum alloy dials and levers for fast, intuitive adjustment over exposure settings, including a shutter speed dial that offers a mechanical shutter speed range from 1 to 1/8000 sec., as well as bulb and time settings. An ISO dial is also incorporated into the shutter speed dial, for confirming the sensitivity setting without having to turn the camera on. The exposure compensation dial lets you choose +/- 3 EV in 1/3 steps, and a command dial position expands the range to +/- 5 EV for further control.
Front and rear command dials integrate a push function for easier use and settings selection and six different function buttons can be assigned to control a range of settings.
A dedicated Focus Lever provides faster, more intuitive control over selecting specific focus points while shooting.
An updated graphical user interface features a My Menu section, where you can register up to 16 items to quickly access. This pairs with the Q Menu, which also provides shortcuts to 16 oft-used settings, bringing the total up to 32 distinct functions, settings, or other controls than can be accessed in a quick manner without having to delve into a more intricate menu system.
Film Simulation and Grain Effect Modes
Taking advantage of Fujifilm’s vast history in traditional film-based photography, the XPro2 integrates several Film Simulation modes to mimic the look and feel of some Fujifilm’s classic film types. For monochrome shooting, the Acros mode offers smooth tones, deep blacks, and fine detail reminiscent of the Neopan 100 Acros film type. A refined Classic Chrome mode is designed to deliver muted tones and a deep color reproduction, similar to that of a dated slide film. Pulling from their more contemporary line of transparency films, Provia offers natural-looking tones for everyday shooting, Velvia produces a more dramatic and rich tonality with deeper color saturation, and Astia gives less contrast for a softer depiction of skin tones. Mimicking their negative films, Pro Neg. Std. gives smooth image tones that are suitable for accurate color renditions, while Pro Neg. Hi produces a more dramatic feel with the ability to draw color out of a variety of lighting conditions.
In addition to simulating specific film types, a Grain Effect mode is also available to replicate the look of old film photos with an organic textured appearance, which is especially noticeable when printing.
Other Camera Features
An electronic shutter function permits using shutter speeds up to 1/32,000 sec. for working with wide aperture settings in bright lighting conditions.
Built-in Wi-Fi enables wireless transferring of imagery to linked mobile devices as well as remote control over camera settings and the shutter via the free Fujifilm Camera Remote app. Additionally, this connectivity enables the use of the optional instax SHARE Smartphone Printer for wireless instant printing via the instax Share app.
An interval timer permits recording time-lapse sequences and can be configured to record up to 999 frames in time spans ranging from one second to 24 hours.
Multiple exposure mode gives you the ability to overlay imagery in-camera. When working in this mode, subsequent exposures can be paired and the final appearance can be previewed on the LCD or in the EVF before making the final exposure.
Additional Advanced Filters can also be used to creatively enhance the look of imagery in-camera, and include Toy Camera, Miniature, Pop Color, High Key, Low Key, Dynamic Tone, Soft Focus, and Partial Color (Red/Orange/Yellow/Green/Blue/Purple).
I’ll just add my say here quickly. The fujis, particularly the x pros are certainly not toy like. I’ve held many cameras and in terms of looks and feel in my opinion, Fuji are pure class.
The x pro2 is now on a par with most enthusiast slrs maybe not pro spec in terms of af, and quality.
The manual focussing on the new hybrid viewfinder is superb and I love fuji files. The waxyness was only a small problem on j pegs and even that’s better now.
The new acros film simulation is a dream with a few minor tweaks.
While a full frame x pro would be desirable, I really love the results I get from Fuji and I know several good professionals who don’t need mega fast af, who are more thanhappy with the fujis.
In comparison to Sony, Olympus, Leica…the Fuji bodies feel hollow, and cheaper made. This is just fact. The Fuji lenses feel hollow as well, in comparison to others. This can be good, as it makes it lighter, and I am sure they would last for many many many years. Just because I say they feel cheap (when compared side by side) does not mean I am saying they are made cheap. They are not “solid” feeling at all.
I have an X-Pro 2 here in front of me. It sits next to my A7RII, Olympus E-M1 and E-M10II and Sony RX1RII, as well as a Leica M nearby. The Fuji is the largest, most square and feels the most hollow of them all. Well, the E-M10II may be close, but even it feels pretty solid.
I like the X-Pro 2, been using it for a few days. Do I prefer it to my Sony A7RII, RX1RII or Leica or even Olympus? No. But I like it. The pros for me with Fuji are the colors it produces, which are unique to the Fuji brand. Beautiful at times.
As for response, its quick, much quicker than the old X-Pro 1 but no quicker than my Sony 7RII and a tad slower than my Olympus. Low light and high ISO, Sony is besting the Fuji without a problem. Fuji bests the Olympus.
It’s a nice upgrade, a nice camera and lovely output but lacks a tilt LCD, is a tad large and ergonomically odd (for me). But the IQ is fantastic. Fuji fans will eat it up I am sure as its worthy of an upgrade for sure (over the X-Pro 1). If I owned some Fuji lenses, Id probably buy one for the occasional time I wanted that Fuji color.
I agree the files are better now, not as mushy, in fact, they look great to me now, even using Adobe. The Acros sim is also lovely, but not any better than the B&W mode on the Oly PEN-F, just a tad different flavor. Both offer fantastic B&W simulations, straight from JPEG. If they went full frame it would be a nightmare. ALL new lenses needed, which would be much larger and more pricey. I think Fuji will stay where they are at APS-C. It works for them. Weather sealed is great to have as well.
It’s still on preorder everywhere and I’m clicking the put in basket buttons general location hoping it will appear, gently screaming at the screen in a blacked out room and I can hear the neighbors talking, no! on the phone? possibly calling the police, or fuji on my behalf?
Anyone know when it’s up for general release or will there be the year of order fulfillment like in 2012?
I think they’re breaking down the door, trying to get in-..
Prefer it to the M240 and, gosh, the monochrome of my friend.
It is just that good. And I only had the 16-55 with me….the glass is amazing. Only a subset of the lenses work with the new cpu at full speed: the red zooms, the 35 f2 and the 90 f2. So, if you try this out, only trust those for “speed” evaluation..otherwise it will only be slightly better than the older cameras.
Colors are vibrant and punch hard – anyone saying it is flat is not either using good software or looking at an in camera jpeg. Leica better up the game. Fuji hit a home run. Feel – like a Leica M to be honest. No two ways about it. And weather resistant on top of everything. Planning on going out in a rainstorm tomorrow to have some fun. Never ever said that before about a camera. 🙂
Only beef – it likes to use electricity. A lot. Ordered 2 more Fuji oem ones today.
This article is IMPRESSIVE
The XPro2 is a camera that I want to love. But just cannot. I am a Leica and Nikon shooter (film). I had purchased the Pro1 with the anticipation of getting into digital:
1) I never warmed up to the look of the files (in fairness that could have been my post processing). But I did see earlier that others have felt the same way.
2) The crop factor drove me crazy.
If they could have made this camera a full frame I think that it would significantly improve this offering to the market. As it is. It makes me think more and more of a D750, 262 or even a used 240. As I said, it was a camera that I wanted to love. I think Fuji missed the mark on this one.
Do we really need all these one system is better than another debates. All are more than capable.
The Pro2 looks like another great addition to the market. The price is not high in my opinion, comparing it to what you can buy older cameras for now is just dumb, we all know how fast depreciation is on digital cameras. The X-pro2 is the same price as the XPo1 was, and is comparable to the launch price of other manufacturers.
Sony, Fuji, Leica and Oly all have aspects that they do better than the others. Which system is right for you depends on what your priorities are. IQ is not high on my list as all are fine.
FWIW I currently shoot Fuji, having come from FF Nikon. Purely for me it was a the sweet spot of a big enough sensor for iso performance, and smaller high quality lenses. Add in the Fuji ergonomics which appeal to me, and the firmware updates to bring the latest benefits to older cameras and it sealed the deal.
There are times when I would like the iso performance of the Sony or IBIS of the Oly, but then I would be giving up stuff to get them.
I won’t be getting the Pro2, not yet anyway as my XE2 with the upcoming firmware will be fine for a year or two yet. Instead I will continue to invest in glass.
More DR ? Yes and better than Leica
Richer files? Yes
Better low light sensitivity? Yes
Well I look forward to reviewing it 😉
I have owned Nikon D800e, Olympus EM1 and Fuji X-T1- three different sizes of sensor. I regularly make A3 (12 x 16 inch) prints from long exposure (4-6 minute) images. Which do I prefer? Fuji every time. The micro 4/3 images are so noisy they are unusable unless you use the correction facility which doubles the exposure and blurts the image. The Nikon is good but just too heavy, particularly with fast glass. However, the Fuji is just a great experience to use. I’ll be ordering an X-Pro2 – despite the price!
Steve as someone who decided to go m43rds as main system, I don’t agree m43rds matches Fuji APS-C, and I am talking about things like the XT10. You bet the Xpro2 sensor will outclass the current m434rds. IT’s a newer Sony sensor base, and the hint is Fuji increasing the non extended ISO to 12800.
I mention this because I see you mention m43rds has the same quality as Fuji APS-C- it doesn’t. IT comes close, but Fuji lenses overall (near all of them) operate at a higher tier, and so does the sensor.
The new Xpro2 sensor will be even better there.
Still I decided on m43rds for the size. But I can recognize Fuji does a bit better here.
I write about my experiences to date with all cameras. In my experience, my E-M1 photos always beat out my Fuji photos, no matter the camera. I have thousands of them on my HD’s from each system, and looking at them, no contest and since I go by real world shooting – I would choose teh E_M1 for me over ANY Fuji any day for IQ, speed, build, feel, construction, weather proof, In body IS, lens build and size, etc etc. We all have different preferences and ideas of what we like. Nothing wrong with that, but I will never lie about MY experiences on this site, I will always state my 100% honest opinion, and always have. I am sure the 2 is fabulous, ESPECIALLY for those who love the X Trans Look.
” In my experience, my E-M1 photos always beat out my Fuji photos” – LOL!!! are you serious?
I’m a leica user, I only have a m8.2 and I’ll be waiting the laste 3 years for a change of system, mainly because I would love to use more than ISO 160…of course I don’t have the budget for a m240. On papers, the sony A7 is the way to go, but I can’t use those dams EVF’s, I just hate them, it’s like having a TV in front and cuts all the pleasure and simplicity of photography…(personal taste), and I don’t even care about watching the final result on that little screen (BN, filters etc) I still have the capacity to anticipate and modify at home.
Now Fuji comes with this camera that is almost what I would love, OVF + EVF (just to play) my only concern is that I always want to control focus, and I’m not sure how this is going to work.
Price?, I think it’s a bit high, I think we’ll pay a bit of “coolness”, but I like that lenses are not so expensive, and you have this lovely aperture ring, on the contrary, I find sony’s a bit pricy….
Looks like a superb camera and Fuji has some outstanding affordable lenses. The system is very tempting. Even at this price, it is reasonable. Crop sensors cover 99% of shooting situations for me. And what’s key is being able to build a system without mortgaging my house (something I cant say for Sony).
It’s a beautiful camera, and no doubt will sell many, but being a Sony FF guy, I’d never go back to less than FF. The thing that I really don’t like about this camera, though, is that the native iso starts at 200, not 100. Extending it to 100 is not the same quality. I’m not sure how this works, but if you google it, you can find some technical discussion of this. I don’t know why camera manufacturers start some otherwise very desirable cameras out at a higher native iso, except by doing so, they can have a higher iso at the top end. And one more point: I favor smaller resolution which can result in higher quality images. I would have preferred the 2 staying at 16 mp. Anyway, just IMO.
This camera interests me greatly. I currently use Canon 6D with 20mm, 28mm,35mm and 100mm fixed, plus a 16-35mm F4 L. Although capable of great results, the weight really gets to me and I find I use my Olympus E-P5, VF-4 much more these days. I tried Fuji with the X-E2 which produced some lovely images but the EVF in bright light was difficult for me to use and I always prefer a viewfinder. I would have preferred the Fuji X-Pro1 but the viewfinder did not have diopter adjustment, rendering it unusable for me. So, anyway, the X-E2 got sold and I got the marvellous Olympus E-P5 for a bargain price. However the small sensor limitations make me prefer at least APS-C or full-frame so this X-Pro2 looks ideal. Fuji have a great range of fantastic lenses so I will compare this with one of the Sony offerings but think that the Fuji appeals to me more and the price is ok.
I went the other way round (from X-Pro1 with primes to 6D with primes) and never regretted this. It’s common to compare mirrorless with primes versus pro DSLR with heavy chunky zooms, but for one, the heavy zooms are built to last (while the first Fuji lenses need great care) and there are great, small, inexpensive primes available for DSLRs that will provide better DOF control than the 1.4-2 Fuji primes. At the end of the day, a 6D with two primes is not that heavier than my Fuji set was, much more resistant and IQ is way better. Yes, the Fuji inspired me to go out, but when I go out, the 6D gives better results.
I also have a Pen with 2 Oly primes for travelling light, and m4/3 makes sens as a light, beautifully crafted and snappy system. With the increase in size and price, Fuji doesn’t make much sense to me. I like the Fuji manual controls, but as good as the lenses may be, IQ is just not FF level, and I agree with Steve that it heavily relies on color twist gimmicks to look more flattering than what it is. It’s a good, complete system, but a (pricy) compromise between weight and IQ.
I don’t think I will sell the 6D, it is a phenomenal camera and I have some great lenses for it. I was looking at the X-Pro2 more as a replacement for my Olympus E-P5, but now I am going to the release presentation of the Olympus Pen-F which could be the camera I am looking for. It looks fantastic, even a bit Leica like, very cool and retro with a 20mp sensor.
What is the advantage of FF these days?
DOF? Fuji and others makes super fast glass. The 56 1.2 for example translates to a 85 focal length and 1.8 FF DOF no? Same as the Batis, no? But the Fuji gets you 1.2 light gathering no?
ISO? 80% of my shots are under 3200 ISO… And if you want high ISO wouldn’t you want bigger pixels rather then more? E.g. 5D just went to 20MP, A7s at 12MP, here size of pixels matter no rather then quantity?
I struggle with the argument around FF… whats the real advantage with todays tech?
What are the disadvantages of FF given todays tech? High MP count? Sluggish, slow operations? Higher cost?
Aside shooting for print, images for the web are probably reduced to what 25-50% of the original file… how many MP is that?
Be good to create some clarity around this. I feel sensor size is the least of my concerns these days when looking for new system.
Seriously considering this one (shot with Leica and Sony) as the specs are simply really, really good. Fuji has really listened and probably will continue to listen (and update accordingly), think about it: 1/8000 mechanical, 14-bit lossless RAW, 1/250 sync + HSS flash on the way, focus point select joystick, dual card slot, new hybrid AF (Sony a6000? Which is great), weather sealed, new processor/ sensor, new menu design, great glass/colors for people shooting, feels like a very substantial and relevant update for shooters.
Only thing I am not sure of are those x-trans RAWs… how far can we push them? Dynamic range? When will there be proper PS/LR support… Cant wait for the review and sample files…
Very cool this one…
Zach Arias did a nice sensor size video on youtube… Steve, whats your view on sensor sizes and how they impact IQ, ISO, DOF, etc. given todays technology?
The advantages of full frame, to me, are these:
Richer files (Full frame sensors from Sony, Leica and even Canon, Nikon..all of them) from full frame.
Better low light sensitivity. For example, the Fuji could never touch Sony for low light without using NR.
Being able to use just about all 3rd party full frame lenses (Leica M, Nikon, Canon, RF, etc), and getting to use the whole lens for the character of said lens (using a Leica lens on a Fuji will cut the frame and only use the center of the lens, destroying the character of the lens)
Fuji simply can not compete with full frame image quality. I have seen probably 100,000 Fuji images looking for ANY that have or create or come close to a full frame look (richness, large DR, full frame look, 3D, Depth) – The Fuji excels with Studio Lights but in real world day to day shooting their past sensors could crete murky dull images in less than perfect lighting. I am hoping the new sensor no longer does this. I even prefer Micro 4/3 to APS-C sensors these days. From any manufacturer.
I predict FULL FRAME and larger is here to stay and the direction camera sales are headed. If Fuji does not release a full frame competitor within 2 years they may be in trouble. They do not want to as this would mean all new lenses but they may have to. Full Frame is going no where and most see the benefits of what it offers.
At the same time, some things are negative about full frame:
AF is usually slower in FF mirrorless
Large shallow DOF can make it tricky to get it all in focus when wide open
I always say just go with what you are drawn to.
Steve, being both a Nikon FF shooter as well as owning a variety of Fuji products (x100T, xt-1) I understand the advantages of FF over APS-C, but why do you prefer micro 4/3 over APS-C?
Because I see no advantage of APS-C over a really great Micro 4/3 camera such as the E-M1, E-M5 II or GX8. The Micro 4/3 will deliver as good or better IQ, they have class leading in body IS (Oly) and are speed demons in AF and response. The lenses available are like little jewels and superb, I put them just behind Leica in quality of the glass (not build). The E-M1 and E-M5II are a couple of the most versatile cameras on the market. The build of the E-M1 is also much better than any APS-C I have seen around. It also seems APS-C is saying a slow death. Today it seems the hottest sellers are full frame or Micro 4/3. For good reason.
So basically if I use the E-M1 as an example prefer I strongly prefer M 4/3 to any APS-C camera made today. Build, speed, AF accuracy and speed, versatility, in body 5 Axis is amazing, swivel LCD, mass amounts of gorgeous lenses available without breaking the bank and IQ that is quite beautiful. In APS-C there is not one body made today that can stand up to an E-M1 for all of that. None that I have seen anyway.
“Micro 4/3 will deliver as good or better IQ…”
Saying that m43 produces as good or better IQ as APS-C is just patently false, just as saying APS-C is as good or better than “full frame” is patently false.
I have extensive experience with all three, in a variety of conditions. And I can tell you that as much as I love the Olympus system, the files are just “thin” and flat somehow compared to their bigger brother sensors. The noise doesn’t particularly bother me, and corner-to-corner sharpness and micro-contrast are good, but the files lack a richness and depth possessed by larger sensors, including APS-C, particularly modern APS-C cameras with 24mp. So APS-C wins not only on sensor size, but also on pixel count.
“Today it seems the hottest sellers are full frame or Micro 4/3. For good reason.”
Actually, as an aggregate, APS-C sensor cameras still outsell FF and m43.
“Build, speed, AF accuracy and speed, versatility, in body 5 Axis is amazing, swivel LCD, mass amounts of gorgeous lenses available without breaking the bank and IQ that is quite beautiful. In APS-C there is not one body made today that can stand up to an E-M1 for all of that. None that I have seen anyway.”
This part I won’t argue. Olympus’ tech is tremendous, as is there glass. But right now the latest APS-C cameras like the D500 and X-Pro2 are quickly outdistancing m43 when it comes to sensor technology and capability. The new sensor in the X-Pro2, for example, uses the same copper wire transfer technology as the A7rII … in fact, it’s essentially the A7rII sensor in a 24mp, APS-C size. It’s also capable of 14 stops of DR at base ISO and will shoot clean files in the 3200-6400 range.
It’s X Trans is it not?
It is. And for those who want to see what it’s capable of, just take a walk through this gallery, beginning at 6:50 on the time slider >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAJheHtwsCI
All images shot with the X-Pro2…
I’m surprised you don’t see that micro 4/3 is on its way out before apsc, Olympus has shown a very large decrease in sales even though mirrorless camera sales keep rising. Olympus has decreased the number of cameras they sell and there most recent top of the line pre sale can’t even break the top ten in mirrorless sales. While two different apsc camera are one and two, Fuji xpro 2 and Sony a6300. So if any sensor size is on its way out its probably the micro 4/3. Since there are definite benefits to a larger sensor and these are very noticeable in the terrible shadow areas of Olympus cameras, not sure how you don’t think Olympus photos are very flat no mid tones. They build a nice looking and feeling camera but the imagine quality is not up to an apsc sensor or full frame. Don’t talk about the silly high megapixel setting, talk about a useless gimmick that can’t be used outdoors for landscapes. Since nothing in nature stands completely still, can’t stop wind. Hopefully Olympus realizes this and gets on board with larger sensors or it will disappear or become a point and shoot sized sensor only. Imagine if Olympus made apsc or full frame how much better their images would be with their great built cameras and sensor stabilization. Just look at Olympus stocks they have fallen 16 percent in the last year, that’s major. While Fuji has stayed about flat and Sony has definitely increased about 5 percent from last year.
What is on the rise is full frame mirrorless, not APS-C. Full Frame, in particular, the Sony A7 series is the hottest selling segment of Mirrorless. Micro 4/3 has not seen a large decrease, at all. There are more using it today than 2 years ago. People have been predicting the demise of Micro 4/3 since day 1 MANY years ago, one fought with me 3 years ago saying/guaranteeing me it would be gone by 2015. Instead, they have grown to be huge, strong and offer the most innovation of anyone else, that is the fact. While many still predict the doom of micro 4/3, I will predict the doom of APS-C FIRST, well before M 4/3. My prediction history in the camera world is something like 95% correct over 8 years, so we shall see 🙂 I have insider info on many things, including sales and believe me, M 4/3 is doing very well in 2015/2016 and will see a boost this year again 😉 Watch and see. There is just nothing exciting in APS-C. Soy A6300, sure, a nice camera but will not be a huge BAM WOW seller for them – and one APS-C model from Sony, that’s it. Fuji is Fuji, and really the only ones sticking to APS-C over their entire range (of those actually selling a lot of cameras) and I feel that is a mistake for them, or will be eventually. 3-4 years. My prediction for 2020? Micro 4/3 will still be here, and thriving. APS-C will be the least selling format and Full Frame and LARGER will be “the thing” including smaller cameras with medium format sensors (which Fuji should jump on). These days so many use their phones, so cameras sales when compared to 5-8 years ago are much smaller in general, and camera makers are heading for a truly niche market which means fancier cameras, better specs, more exotic sensors and lenses for those truly into photography and less for the mass public (who uses phones). Less P&S cameras which will become extinct here really soon as well…many changes on the horizon for sure. But M 4/3 fills a great large niche, as does Full Frame. My opinions of course..take from it what you will. Thank You for reading and commenting.
Thanks I respect your opinion, I just noticed Olympus was the only mirrorless manufacturer down in sales, 16% while even Leica was up. And mirrorless sales were up what 30% or so over the year before. Than I noticed that Olympus has done away with a bunch of models and they have change around important staff members. As a business man this show instability and a bad business bet. Next their new Olympus pen f has not even cracked the top 10 in pre sales while Fuji xpro 2 and Sony a6300 sit at 1 and 2 in sales. Not sure what could be clearer, so unless they can pull off a miracle it’s not looking so hot for Olympus. I love the size and style of their cameras but like many others could never accept the digital noise and artifacts their sensors produce in shadows and highlights. I agree full frame mirrorless was responsible for a large part of the boost in mirrorless sales.
When the XPro-2 is switched to the optical viewfinder setting, and a zoom lens is mounted on it (let’s say the 18-135mm), will the viewing frame adjust in size as the zoom goes from 18mm to 135mm?
Yes, that is how it worked with the X-Pro1
I should say the framelines within the OVF changed with the zoom of the lens….but the view in the OVF obviously did not.
I liked the black and white film simulation approaching the silver monochrome gray and black shades as a film
The X-Trans Bayer array isn’t really randomized. It consists of 3×3 arrays of filter cells with green at each corner and in the center, with red and blue in the middle of opposite sides. Every other 9 cell array is rotated 90 degrees. This may reduce red/blue aliasing, but complicates interpretation of the raw image compared to conventional arrays.
The X-Trans configuration has nothing to do with Bayer. The X-Trans technology uses a 5G | 2R | 2B ratio (green, red, blue) color filter array, as opposed to the 2G | 1R | 1B used by the standard Bayer array in most sensors. The extra green photosites — which constitute the luminance portion of the channel and are the most sensitive — provide enough data that there’s less false color produced when demosaicing (reconstructing colors from the array) and obviate the need for an optical low-pass filter to blur the edges between the pixels. The more randomized array also offers a more organic look to the files.
And, yes, the demosaicing process is more complicated, but we’re hearing now that, in concert with Fujifilm, Adobe has come a long way with yet-to-be-released products that should finally address any remaining issues.
Much has criticized the Fuji X Pro 1 for its lack of responsiveness to the development speed, but I must say that the latest firmware update did significantly increase execution speed. I have an X Pro 1 and I’m surprised. I have not tested the X Pro 2 but I can not wait to see, but the price is relatively too high. At this price I think a company should provide telemetry and I would like a company like us so Cosina Voigtlander a digital rangefinder. I would pay for a range finder 24 x 36 the price
specs … just specs … fuji cameras make me want to take photos like no other brand … sony specs are great but their cameras are soulless
what soul ?
camera is just a tool …
I understand where he is coming from…certain cameras make you want to go out and shoot. My Canon gear never did that for me.
no sony is making the sensor ….
A6000 is a 24meg APS-C sensor camera with great AF and a very nice EVF, sells for $398
A7 (original) is a 24meg Full Frame camera with decent AF and a very nice EVF, sells for $899
A7II is a 24meg Full Frame camera with IBIS, very good AF, and a very nice EVF, sells for $1499
XPro2 is a 24meg APS-C sensor camera with what should be great AF, and nice hybrid EVF and sells for $1699 ?
Just doesn’t make sense spending $1700 for APS-C these days….
Lets say there is a A6100 as well,,,rumors suggest 28meg APS-C, fantastic AF, perhaps IBIS even. Not sure the price but you know its not going to be $1700, maybe $899 or so would be my guess…
What is the XPro giving for $1700 ? A hybrid EVF ? Well that is all well and good, until you find that you can’t use it with wider or longer lenses and its really just designed for around 28-90mm equiv, so then your stuck having to use the EVF with a lot of lenses, not to mention that you don’t really know whats in focus with the OVF. Did it focus on your subject or the background ? You don’t know…unless you use the little “patch”, which at least on the X100t drove me crazy. Again, if your going to have an OVF and then overlay a little EVF in the way, why not just shoot with a good quality EVF ?
XPro should have had a touch screen for focus point selection (faster than any joystick, dpad etc), the screen should of articulated, it should of had a class leading EVF along the lines of the Leica SL, and it should of cost $1199 tops. That would be a camera that has a little traction in the market.
$1699 for a 24meg sensor, no IBIS, no touch sceen, no articulating screen, and a pretty low mag EVF, and not overly useful OVF ? I think they missed the plot a bit
If this came out in 2013 or 2014, could of been pretty big, but in 2016 these spec’s just aren’t exciting for most consumers.
Again, look what really was an amazing camera, the A6000.. Few years ago it would of been a dream, everything the NEX7 hoped to be, and all the retailers are blowing them out for $398.
Look at the Samsung NX….great APS-C sensor and some cool features, you can get them for $499 on clearance
How the Xpro makes sense for $1700 I just don’t really get
For what it is lined up against, the X-Pro 2 does seem quite overpriced. The A6000 is a poerhouse for $398. The original A7 (not R) is also FANTASTIC and can get one into the A7 system for under $1000. FULL FRAME! So yes, the Fuji is more for those heavily into the Fuji system already I feel. For those shooting older Fuji bodies (before X-T1) this could be a great upgrade for them as Fuji lenses can not be used on any other cameras so Fuji users are either stuck or LOVE their Fuji system.
the price will come down, and none of the other cameras you mentioned have a lens selection as strong as Fuijfilm’s ‘native’ X range.
Many choices at all price points , we are now spoilt for choice Nothing to get really , choose whatever suits your specific requirements and budget.
fuji is making the xpro2 sensor
Nope…Sony makes the sensor…as they did with the X-Pro1.
I, for one, just submitted my order for the X Pro-2. I’ve been using the X-T1 for nearly two years and I’m delighted with it, but want to see how close the new sensor will bring it to the full-frame capabilities of the new Sonys and Leicas, especially when rigged for lightweight street shooting with the new 35mm f2 lens and the 18-55 f2.8-4.0 zoom. I’d particularly enjoy one of your “real world” comparisons of the X Pro- 2 with the 50mm f2.0 vs the Leica Q vs the Sony RX 1 M2.
I am looking forward to testing it for sure. If its like the X-Pro 1 with blazing AF and response its already a 10000X improvement. I enjoyed the X-T1 and feel it is Fujis best but if this surpasses it, then it may be what many have been looking for in the land of Fuji. Thanks for reading and stopping by.
My face and nose were always poking against X-T1 when i wanted to look in EVF, unlike with A7II. Now Fuji just might get some respect with more user friendly camera.
Have a nose job? 🙂
Are you planning on testing the x70? I know it’s not your usual thing since its an xtrans and lacks a viewfinder, but I’m curious what you think of it.
Steve. Thanks for the review. Since the camera has both an electronic and mechanical shutter, does that mean when using the electronic shutter, one can shoot stills “Silent” with no noise for sensitive venues like concerts in small clubs, classical music concerts, dance performances,etc? Is there any distortion of the image when shooting stills with the electronic shutter when shooting fast motion or when panning the camera?
How quiet or noisy is the camera with the mechanical shutter? Is there a “quiet” mode like the Canon 5d Mark III when shooting in a concert or dance performance?
Do the focus points light up so they are easy to see in the OVF or EVF when shooting in dark clubs?
If the points do light up,what color are they?
Has battery performance improved with this new model? Does it take the same batteries as the previous models?
Thanks for your help Steve. Happy New year to Everyone. Happy and Prosperous 2016.
Thanks! But this is not a review, just an announcement of the new release. I will not review it for 2-3 weeks and then I can answer those questions. Thanks!
Steve, pls review how the OVF copes with M-Lenses above 60mm, i.e. 90 apo-sum asph, 135mm, and the superwides, for compatibility and negative effects.
Please, too check for BULB capabilities. OVF and EVF view in the dark, maximum lowest speed at f4/8 at sensor-natural and edge-iso to noise, i.e. 200 and 15800.
Night/Star/Lights photography. Any added BULB feature like seconds counting in display, …
And how fast it is for an EVF Sports situation with a big Tele, AF and MF, can you follow fast enough with an MF, means fast EVF and signalling (beep and/or dot) Focus without need of peeking-zoom?
Thank you very much.
I can answer those questions for you right now…
– Yes, with the electronic shutter you can shoot in full silence.
– Yes, there will be some rolling shutter distortion if you use the electronic shutter shooting fast motion or when panning the camera. The simple solution is not to use the electronic shutter when shooting action; chances are you don’t need to be completely silent under such situations anyway.
– The X-Pro2 mechanical shutter is discreet, but not silent. Much quieter than a DSLR, however, even in their “quiet” modes, which merely separate the mirror up-down from the shutter actuation.
– Yes, the focus points are illuminated in both the EVF and OVF modes and they are green in color.
– No, battery performance is about the same, and the camera uses the exact same battery as the X-Pro1 and X-T1. However, there is now a percentage battery indicator to let you know precisely how much juice is left.
@Jack I understand there are 3 options for the shutter: (1) mechanical 1/8000, (2) mechanical to 1/8000 then electronic to 1/32000 and (3) Electronic to 1/32000. If you want a quiet mode don’t you just select electronic shutter and turn of the sound in the menu for completely silent shooting?
$1700 for APS-C camera..
FF Sony costs $900
I tried to like a x100s, but couldn’t accept loosing in IQ after using A7..
Which FF sony costs 900 bugs?
Well, people will start moaning about the price because you can get a cheap(er) Sony fullframe toy.
Hey guys! Do see or feel any soul inside a Sony? Only Fuji has the mojo these days! That’s how photography should be!
Well, I will disagree with you. I have yet to try any Fuji that beats a Sony A7 series body. The Fujis feel more toy like as they feel hollow. So toy like goes to Fuji. IQ – Sony wins easily as they use the best sensors made today, and they make them. Their full frame sensors in the A7II, A7SII and A7RII are quite amazing in all areas. Being APS-C, Fuji has been declining due to the push for full frame, and I am sure they are hoping the new X-Pro 2 will boost them back, and it probably will but I do not see this camera bringing in any new users to the brand as its more of the same and no real “WOW” or groundbreaking tech. It is more of an update with faster AF, more resolution and a nicer body but it took them three years to do this. I think Fuji should create a new like with a Full frame sensor, and work on that over the next three years. That is the only way they will grow as Sony is really taking off with the A7 bodies.
The fact is, neither Sony or Fuji are “toys”. Both brands offer very serious cameras and results for amateurs, pros or anyone wanting high quality imaging. As we always read..its always more about the photographer than the camera. 🙂
I’m really anticipating your comparisons between the A7II and X-Pro2. I’m currently in the market for an ILC and the only camera I currently have is the X100S. So I have no loyalty based on lenses since I don’t own any.
Some people have said the comparison is not fair because one is FF and one is APS-C. I disagree as a consumer who is weighing the options because they’re the same price. Both Zeiss and Fuji make good glass but for me, IBIS and a 1x crop factor is a big deal. The latter of which because having spent $1700 on a camera, lenses are an added cost. And a 1x crop factor means that I can buy vintage/legacy lenses for the time being.
Comparing FF vs APS-C or any other format is more like comparing oranges to apples. If you cannot see the difference or the difference is not important to you just go with the format you like. As a consumer some days I like oranges better than apples. I use various formats for different reasons. From a technical and artistic point of view I prefer and use only FF; for everyday use and more point and shoot approach I prefer APS-C the less caring the mood the smaller formats work well even my iPhone is fine.
I hope this helps.
Steve, it’s not about megapixels or tech. It’s about how you connect to your tool. How you enjoy and feel the process of being creative. A X-Pro1(2) and the X-T1 won’t force you to get into menues. You can control everything you need blind with your fingertips without thinking about tech or any setting.
There is no tech coming into your way if you don’t want it. Even when mounting a X-T1 on a Tripod for creating long exposure landscapes there is no need to get into a menu. It just works!
Greetings from Germany
Who says its about Megapixels? To me MP is the least important in a camera. LEAST. What matters to me in a camera?
JOY OF USE
BUILD/FEEL/CONTROL (and Fuji always loses here for me,and I use and test all cameras)
SIMPLICITY IN CONTROLS AND MENUS (Leica excels here beating ALL and Sony, I never ever go into menus as all buttons are set for my needs)
SENSOR – I prefer FF and Micro 4/3. APS-C is my least fave sensor these days. It’s a compromise as M 4/3 can deliver just as good IQ with better speed, accuracy and versatility. So why go APS-C?
DYNAMIC RANGE – Nothing beats full frame for DR, unless its larger than full frame.
as for mounting to a tripod and shooting long exposures, the best in the bus is Olympus. Then full frame for their DR, ISO performance and quality. ANY of these cameras can be set on a tripod, manually set with dials and no need for a menu, ever. NOt sure what you are saying here as nothing you state is exclusive to Fuji, at all.
“…M 4/3 can deliver just as good IQ with better speed, accuracy and versatility.”
Not…even…maybe. And that gulf widened further after the arrival of 24mp APS-C cameras, and has widened further still with the arrival of the X-Pro2, which has the finest APS-C sensor ever produced.
“DYNAMIC RANGE – Nothing beats full frame for DR, unless its larger than full frame.”
Thus far there is no sensor larger than “full frame” that beats a full frame sensor for dynamic range.
In Australia the anticipated retail price is AU$2699 – some quotes as ‘low’ as $2500 – this seems like crazy pricing, given that I can buy a brand new Nikon D750 (AU$2290) or Sony A7ii (AU$1800). Why is it so expensive?
How can Fujifilm justify these prices!! As you say, Steve, this is not going to attract new users – it’s like an upgrade tax for existing Fujifilm devotees…..
I like your reviews but Why do you hate Fuji ?
Well, I will disagree with you. I have yet to try any Fuji that beats a Sony A7 series body. The Fujis feel more toy like as they feel hollow. “So toy like goes to Fuji “
Many Disagree with me, and many agree with me. For me, the Fuji files are a tad flat and digital looking. Even in samples that are excellent photographs I see the same smoothing going on in the files. Skin doesn’t look like skin…its something that once you see it and recognize it then you see it every time. The colors are cool, Fuji like but it also makes the files look more digital and “cheap”. With that said, this is why I do not like the X Trans sensor. Never have really but I also have never hated it. The X-T1 did quite well but still had the same issues. Then there is the whole Adobe thing, but that is not what I am talking about. Also, I am always very disapointed in the build and feel of the Fuji’s. They feel extremely hollow and not solid. Buttons and dials are cheap-ish when compared to other cameras in the same price point. But to correct you, I never HATED Fuji, and do not. I just am not a fan of the XTrans Sensor for the reasons I stated above. Also the build quality always lacks for the kind of price point. I am confident the X-Pro 2 is a 100% different beast than the 1 – that is obvious. Id still never choose it over a full frame sensor after having used a full frame sensor for years and enjoying the benefits of such, and do not let anyone tell you there are no benefits as there are many.
The X-Pro 2 looks to be a great APS-C class camera. But it will never ever give the look, character or depth of a full frame sensor. Period. It’s not possible. Now, many could care less about this but I am so used to what is achievable with full frame and using all kinds of glass from Leica, Canon, or whatever allows me to get the look I am after.
I look forward to using the X-Pro 2 for a full review. Maybe I will buy one to use for a month and then do a long review and put it up against the OLD Sony A7 which can be had for half the price. Will be interesting but the last time I did a side by side with a Fuji against Full Frame the Fuji lagged behind and looked much flatter, and lifeless in comparison to the full frame images.
I would say those who prefer the FF images probably shoot FF. Those who would prefer the Fuji files at that link probably already shoot Fuji or APS-C and are used to that “look”. This is why I tell everyone to buy the camera that speaks to THEM, not me 🙂
I suspect high price is partly marketing and partly Fuji seeing who will bite at that price point. Fuji like to do specials and sales on their gear and I suspect that if one is patient, month for now you can get an Xpro2 for a few hundreds off.
Two major ergonomic improvements on this camera are that [a] the 3 buttons on the rear left-hand side, which I personally found were far too easy to activate when holding that side of the camera – have been removed, and [b] the viewfinder now has the dioptre adjustment built-in, instead of buyers having to track down the circular eyepieces, which very few dealers nowadays have available ‘off the shelf’.
I’m guessing these two important ergonomic improvements, will mean Fuji will be seeing again the customers who didn’t like the features above, and will be selling considerably more of these cameras than they have been.
Fuji wide/fast lenses with close focusing distance have too much uncorrected LoCA. (23/1.4, 16/1.4) I cannot correct it as well in post as the Leica Q does internally. Otherwise I’d be excited about the X-Pro2. I also hate onion ring bokeh which plagues Fuji glass (and some Sony/Zeiss like the Batis 25!) and which the Q seems to be free of.
I know there is a price difference but I believe that Fuji could address these issues… at least the LoCA one with software correction. (I have a beef with the Sony/Batis combo on the LoCA front as well.)
Maybe I’m just more sensitive to defocused color-cast than many. I like to shoot wide open, wide lenses at close distances and this is a worst case scenario for it. Also brings out the onion ring effect.
See LoCA effect here: http://www.lenstip.com/449.5-Lens_review-Fujifilm_Fujinon_XF_16_mm_f_1.4_R_WR_Chromatic_and_spherical_aberration.html
You probably wouldn’t like the Noctilux or Summilux then – beautiful glass with lots of character but also lots of CA.
Most fast glass wide open suffers in some form or another with LoCA. The Leica Q is a lovely camera with a beautiful lens. I’d love to have one in my collection – you’re very lucky!
I have heard a number of reports though (and seen examples) that the software corrections for heavy barrel distortion softens the image too much relative to the regular M mount 28mm. This is supposedly particularly noticeable in the corners? Can you comment on this or have you shot both – I’d love to hear 🙂
For what it’s worth, I find the 25mm Batis to be probably the best 24-25mm I’ve ever experienced but yes there can be a little loCA in certain light – I think it’s been largely exaggerated though.
Stop trolling !