A new Nikon Mirrorless Camera is announced..Let’s Party (Like it’s 2011). Nikon P1000.
By Steve Huff
I’m sorry. Just apologizing up front for this as today I saw this new Nikon announced and it seems like Nikon is still stuck back in time just a bit. Releasing a fat chunky HUGE BODY and on the heavy side mirrorless camera, with a crazy 24-3000 equivalent zoom, and a tiny phone sized 16MP sensor. Yes, you read that right, a 24-3000mm equivalent zoom. Now, being a fan of QUALITY cameras, and cameras that focus on quality, this one loses me INSTANTLY! Yes, this is the new Nikon P1000.
First off, the design, to me, is ugly (though that is personal preference, to you it may be gorgeous). I’m sorry. In person it is HUGE. I mean, it’s HUGE. I could understand this if it had a larger sensor, or was a DSLR but it is a tiny sensor camera, you know the size used in P&S cameras many years ago.
Second, the small tiny sensor will yield lackluster dynamic range, more image noise and well, inferior performance to todays newer, more advanced 1″ sensor cameras. Zoom out to 3000 and be prepared for high ISO noise, and in video, jitters and not so hot quality. No, 3000mm will not yield QUALITY results so IMO, it is sort of gimmick to make us say “WOW”!. With an f/16-f/45 equivalent aperture for DOF…well… you get the picture.
B&H Photo Made a 1st Look Video, so check it out for yourself. YOU may love this…but not me.
If Nikon does not release a serious mirrorless SOON, eventually the Nikon brand will start to fade and that would be a SHAME as the mirror (DSLR) IS DYING a slow death. So I know…I KNOW they have to bring something very special to compete with the A7 and A9 from Sony. I also feel this will be coming SOON, and with adapters so Nikon SLR users cam use their beloved and great Nikon lenses immediately. The new camera will bring a new mount and new lenses, but also support for current Nikon glass. It has to. Hell, I can not wait to see what they offer as if it is a great design, uses a good (full frame) sensor, has fast AF and great low light it could be the perfect companion for the Noct Nikkor I want so badly ; ) If not, that not Nikkor will be used on a Leica SL or Sony body. But I have faith in Nikon for what is to come. They are too great of a camera company to NOT bring some heated completion for Sony. I’m looking for a nice heated street fight between Nikon, Canon and Sony soon with their top end Mirrorless systems. It is going to bring some excitement back to the mirrorless world, where it has been sort of one sided lately.
But this P1000?
Yes this has a massive zoom range. But believe me, at 3000mm the quality will not be that great. It can shoot at a max of ISO 6400, which again, will be shoddy due to the tiny sensor and probably needed at 3000mm with an aperture of f/8. It has some IS inside that offers a 5 stop advantage but try hand holding at 3000mm. Not gonna happen. So pull out those tripods my friends. But hey, it has a button to shoot the moon, a “moon” setting ; )
There are samples online, but what I have seen so far are images with blown highlights, image noise, and flat rendering typical of a tiny sensor camera (though not all tiny sensors results are bad, some are quite nice as long as you do not push it) . All for $1000. I WOULD recommend this to those who want to shoot images of the moon, on a tripod, with some image noise included in the package. But think of it…if you have seen one moon pic, you have almost seen them all. They all look about the same. I used to shoot the moon, did it a few times and said “OK, looks like everyone else’s image of the moon I have seen over and over”. The moon is a boring subject, as it has been shot millions of times and there is no shortage of moon shots on the internet. It can be fun to shoot..once, maybe twice. After that, as the great B.B. King has said..”The thrill is gone”.
THE BAZOOKA…from the B&H Video above.
For birding? This could be cool. This could be the one area it would be great for. Get a solid tripod, and zoom in to your bird of choice. OK… this could be a good use for this massive beast of a camera. But do know it’s about double the weight of the previous P900 and 40% or so more in cost. Went from $600 to $1000. But birds could be the one thing this beast was made for.
Seems like I am back in time to around 2011 or so, and I just received the latest and greatest from one of the largest camera manufacturers in the business. Wait…it is 2018 and I was just daydreaming.
I’m sorry, but this is why I only review cameras I like, and feel offer something special to the photographer. I say Spend $200 less and buy a BETTER camera with a larger sensor.
Yes the camera I link to above is older, but will beat this for IQ and for video QUALITY and is smaller while offering a larger sensor. You do not get the 3000mm superzoom, not even close, just a
“short” 200mm but you get much better image quality and a Zeiss lens. I feel the Nikon is really trying to impress out of the gate with the 3000mm blip. $1000 for this new Nikon and teeny sensor is not something I would personally recommend. I mean if you want or NEED 3000mm on the cheap (try getting 3000mm with a DSLR or Mirrorless) then maybe. But how often would one shoot at 3000mm? Birds..moon…stalking..spying…
The other thing besides using it for birds I will say positive about this is that it could be a camera for a family vacation, for those who are used to only using a phone and want a super reach, or for those where quality or size is not the top concerns. Taking a cruise and shooting at 3000mm or digitally enhanced 6000mm could be interesting as you set up your tripod on the ship..but wait the ship moves, so never mind. At 3000 or 6000MM this guy will have to be rock steady solid to avoid any shake. This camera is also much larger than your phone. At 16MP they kept the MP low enough but even so, with this sensor it could be a stretch as a sensor this size can excel in IQ at 10MP or less. The more MP squeezed onto this means more noise, less DR and less quality.
Nikon can do much better and I hope their upcoming “Sony A7 Killer” does better than this. In fact I have high hopes for it, and am going to purchase/pre-order as soon as it is announced as long as it appears half way decent. I have faith in Nikon, as they are legendary. I believe they could put up a good fight against Sony with a serious mirrorless. Nikon makes great cameras. Especially LATELY, so I expect the new IC Mirrorless to be something special, and I plan to review it fully with a long form, real world “heavy on the photos” review when and if it becomes a reality (HINT: It will).
I apologize to anyone who is excited about this P1000, but for me it doesn’t hit on any of my excitement sensors in my body, on ay level.
DYNAMIC RANGE: LIMTED
QUALITY: OK BUT LIMTED
ISO: WILL BE NOISY AS EVIDENT BY SAMPLES. NOT a low light camera at all.
WEIGHT: HEAVIER THAN THE P900, ALMOST double.
3000MM: TO ME, somewhat gimmicky but I will wait to see some real world use with it at that focal length to judge.
This camera, at 3000mm…well, it will not be the greatest quality and at f/8 you will need to crank the ISO in all but sunny daylight situations. Again, I have seen sample images and to me they look like they came from a P&S camera from many years ago, not 2018. Sharp? YES! Crispy? YES! Blown highlights? YES! Over sharpened look? YES! Lacking in DOF control? YES!
Maybe I am missing something, maybe I am in a bubble, maybe I am too old school or maybe I just do not get it. I could be wrong, maybe this is the best camera of 2018 for some of you out there. Maybe I am unschooled in the needs of a 3000mm large small sensor camera at a $1000 price point. Hmmm. Could be me. These are after all, my opinions just after reading the specs and seeing samples. Again, I have not used it so I could be 100% wrong here. I was wrong before, when I said negative things about the V1, and then ended up LOVING it and buying three of them, using it for over a year almost daily.
So maybe I am wrong again. After looking back at my V1 review, which had a small sensor, I see quality I really like. I loved that camera. So hey, ignore what I just said..maybe this one is another camera that will surprise me. : )
What are your thoughts? Anyone here going to buy one?
As an avid P900 user, I am disappointed to find Nikon went for more zoom instead of maybe just offering the better viewfinder, RAW and maybe a manual focus ring to the existing P900. I only rarely use the P900 at full zoom. Mostly it is between 1000 and 1500 and the results for me are great, especially for birding – its main use. What is often overlooked is the quality of the wide angle results too. A lot of people comment on these long lenses highlighting atmospheric issues, but for me most shots I take at high zoom are of near objects as little as 20 metres away. Results are fine. But this new one is a big beast and for me, not worth the effort of carrying something twice the weight. The lens doesn’t seem as sharp to me at 2000mm compared to the P9000. From what I have seen you could crop a 1000mm shot and get an equal result. Even though I do love my P900, I am inclined to agree with opinions here. I won’t be bothering to spend twice the money for twice the weight and no improvement in IQ.
I have been a Nikon guy for years. I had hopes they were going in the right direction with the series of DL cameras. Alas, I fear they are wandering in the weeds. Legendary brand that lost its way. Sad…
What a monstrosity. This camera does nothing but continue to erode Nikon’s brand image. I think Sony and Fuji are partying like it’s 2011 over this announcement.
A thousand dollars and it’s enormous. What’s the target market supposed to be?
It’s simply designed for users that need a lot of zoom power in a portable package.
like boat people who need to verify signals or things like that from a great distance,
travelers who feel they need the extra reach or I don’t know, hobbyists that need a telescope like camera…
Maybe Nikon has a lot of the sensors over from the now dropped V1 line. There are many people who are zoom crazy, and will buy this thing to show off …
I totally agree with what you say in this article, Steve.
Good review. I’m buying one as soon as I have the money
A year ago last spring, I was walking trails and photographed a woman taking photos with a P900. I asked her how she liked it and as she talked, thought she needed what I had given my granddaughter to shot. An EM10 w/ Pany kit lens, Pany 100-300 and Oly 25. My granddaughter loved the P900. We traded for a day and when we met again, the trade was made permanent. A girl in school loved the camera that could take photos which could impress her cell phone using friends. The woman who had been a film photographer was happy with the EM10 and the improvement over the Oly DSLR she was used to. That girl graduated and with her first job bought an RX 10 IV for now. Kids and photographers have different wants and needs. The P1000 has a place and is priced competitive with the cell phone it will replace. It is not meant to be a good camera. It is meant to sell to people who are unsatisfied with the zoom on their cell phones and that is a BIG market. The profit from the P1000 will cover the lower profit for the niche market we are interested in. Go Nikon. I do not have to want it to be glad it is there and hope it is profitable.
Steve, your comments above are spot on correct. I acquired a P900 after it first came out to photograph birds at a nearby preserve. It would create a credible shot at high magnification BUT the image quality was less than desirable. Flat, little detail, noise, and unsatisfying color. Worse of all, the camera would not refocus in continuous focus burst mode after the first shot, making Birds in Flight photography almost impossible. Today I rarely use this camera. Never had the desire to photograph the moon.
Note that the weight of the P900 with batteries is exactly 2 pounds. The P1000 jumps to 3 pounds. 3 pounds of weight around the neck to enclose a cell phone sized sensor. Ouch!
The P1000 (unlike the P900) shoots RAW so the images need to be post processed. Also, using a tripod is highly recommended, by me. The lack of continuous autofocus is also a problem and I don’t believe it has been added in the P1000.
Haha! You are right on Steve. This thing looks so outdated even before it’s released. Are they trying to re-create the sales blackhole that the Nikon V1 was?
I’m sure this is a fine new camera. However, with probably limited market (I don’t know what Nikon projects to sell annually) from a product planning standpoint, the R&D money spent on this would maybe have been better spent on bringing the more anticipated mirrorless full frame sensor camera to market.
I can’t imagine wanting to accept any less image quality than Sony’s RX10 provides with it’s 1 inch sensor even for birding.
Lots of bashing all over the web on the p1000, most of it fair. I think Nikon is a business and they sold a ton of p900’s. Unfortunately for them I think the $1000 price point is a miss for the super zoom market. They’ll probably still sell many many p1000’s. A smarter move would have been simply a faster lens and raw capability for the upgrade.
I have been a photographer for 35 yrs, seen it all, film to digital now to the “must be mirrorless” or you going to die, changes. I really dont get this notion that Nikon and canon will die because they lack Mirrorless. Every body is shouting size weight benefits. FF lenses will always be big and heavy unless you do what Nikon is doing with the pf lenses. Mirrorless Bodies getting bigger with every new model and DSLR’s getting smaller and lighter. MFT is the only system that can keep it small but then we have the small sensor to content with. OK ir shoots 60fps, who needs it? So sorry, still trying to understand this. And by the way, I am using an Olympus OMD system . And really see no other benifits from my Nikon system other than size
The truth is in the numbers which decline every quarter for DSLR’s. Mirrorless is not only a bit smaller but getting better than DSLR’s. The Soy A9 for example. Small, and honestly, I know of no DSLR that can beat it for what it is made to do. A7RIII. Powerhouse sensor, fast as lighting, long better life and much more versatile than any DSLR. The numbers show a slow death for DSLR’s and have for the last two years but it is increasing, faster and faster. Unless Nikon comes out with a mirrorless that can compete against Sony, they will be in trouble, and in the not so distant future. But the good news is that they are releasing a mirrorless to compete against Sony, as is Canon. Because they have to.
Coming from a P900, I look forward to this beast. I accept the image quality compromises that many untrained eyes would never notice. It is an image stabilized terrestrial telescope that will do 4K movies. What was really needed was the better viewfinder. And with the flash hotshoe, it should be fun to try distant wireless remote strobe photos. Consider it a super toy, a Swiss Army knife type of camera to wow your friends with. People that have the D850 with 70-200 lens can just crop their photos and get a better result, right? Maybe not.
Steve, I thought you write about things you love? I don’t get all the grumping all over the web. It’s big: Yes, its a 24-3000 lens. It’s a tiny sensor: Yes, it’s a 24-3000 lens. It’s ugly: Well, I haven’t seen a beautiful version of a 24-3000 lens…
I guess it’s a pretty good camera for what it is, Raw support, decent lens (if it’s quality is equal or better than the P900), 4K video of the moon surface, decent macro abilities…
And it’s the best and smallest 24-3000 camera on the market (as far as I know), so why all the grumping? Because you think no one needs this kind of superzoom?
I review only things I love, and enjoy and would recommend. This is not a review. : )
I saw it on B&H. The article did not say it was a mirrorless camera.
It has no mirror. It’s a mirrorless camera.
It has no interchangeable lenses. So it’s a bridge camera or point & shoot. Not a mirrorless.
It’s a mirrorless.
This is a point&shoot upgrade from the p900. Not a mirrorless.
No mirror = mirrorless. ALL point and shoots are mirrorless cameras.
just look at the size..
I agree with you Steve
I am pretty sure you’ve got it right…..
Would not buy one, but, as a higher-end point and shoot with a mega zoom, Nikon stays one silly perhaps step ahead of the P&S market-devouring smart phone. Perhaps megazooms are more appealing to different markets, like Japan or China? Low-end digital market is a wasteland, so to be able to claim 3000mm zoom might catch more buyers at the superstore.